tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30817870.post8230519613405997030..comments2023-05-22T01:44:46.619-07:00Comments on Michael Reads the Bible: "Passion": Not Enough PassionMichael5000http://www.blogger.com/profile/10148584819327475239noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30817870.post-73537692350527056352011-02-18T08:40:51.359-08:002011-02-18T08:40:51.359-08:00Yes - I would encourage you to read the crucifixio...Yes - I would encourage you to read the crucifixion story to see how very accurately the scenes in the passion were shown.<br /><br />A great link to reference:<br />http://www.lifeafterdeath.net.nz/jesus-crucifixion-medical-description.html<br /><br />As well as:<br />http://www.jesusemptytomb.com/the-resurrection/jesus-resurrection/scripture-reference-guide-to-jesus-resurrection.htmlJessicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18336134921812134357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30817870.post-33693678084070494152007-03-05T20:28:00.000-08:002007-03-05T20:28:00.000-08:00Karin,This is no way to properly honor and express...Karin,<BR/><BR/>This is no way to properly honor and express my gratitude for your contribution, but: I don't think that's right. My own reading on Roman execution practices -- I'm a sucker for a light read -- suggest that initial flogging was absolutely part and parcel of a good crucifyin'. Obviously I'm no expert, but this idea is strong enough in what I've read that I thought that the portrayal in "Passion" of the two other men being crucified was a conspicuous historical blunder -- they clearly hadn't been flogged.<BR/><BR/>To take this a little further, let's say you are a Roman centurion in charge of executing three guys. Of the three, you know that your boss is really torn about killing one of them in particular, and has had his hand forced on the issue. Where are you going to focus your flogging? I'd focus on the other two, myself. Gibson gets around this by making the Roman soldiers into slack-jawed sadistic morons who get carried away while the boss isn't looking, but this too doesn't ring particularly true for me.<BR/><BR/>To summarize, my understanding is that everybody got beaten quite a bit, and it seems unrealistic that Christ got beaten much more than most. Unfortunately, I'm only on page 11, and the New Testament doesn't start until page 717, so I'm a long way from knowing what the text says unless I take another sneak peek.Michael5000https://www.blogger.com/profile/10148584819327475239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30817870.post-82871697086609863042007-02-26T20:23:00.000-08:002007-02-26T20:23:00.000-08:00I don't think Jesus' crucifixion was typical, thou...I don't think Jesus' crucifixion was typical, though, what with the severe beating prior, the nails in the wrists and feet, the crown of thorns and the spear in the side.<BR/><BR/>Your average hay-rolling schmuck was likely tied to a cross until he died of exhaustion, dehydration and suffocation from the extreme slouching position. Does that help?Karinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09678914679733770434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30817870.post-29125070690824508002007-02-25T19:08:00.000-08:002007-02-25T19:08:00.000-08:00I may have got carried away in making fun of the v...I may have got carried away in making fun of the violence in 'Passion.' It's easy to do, since the violence is so over the top. But it's not like the violence in and of itself bothered me; movie violence doesn't bug me unless it's supposed to be funny. ("Home Alone," where human suffering was a jolly lark, physically sickened me. So go figure.)<BR/><BR/>What bothered me is that, in a realistic reinaction of a brutal crucifixion, there is no inherent religiosity. The movie would have looked pretty much the same if, instead of being about Christ assuming the sins of all mankind, it was about some provincial schmuck being executed for having been caught with a centurian's wife. So, the realism undermines the message. Christ's suffering for me, no matter how profound, loses something when I know that the schmuck suffered in equal measure for his roll in the hay.<BR/><BR/>I think Gibson must have realized this at some point, and hence we have Satan strolling about to remind us that this is a supernatural event. But it's all just so ham-handed.....Michael5000https://www.blogger.com/profile/10148584819327475239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30817870.post-69443442188672960392007-02-24T11:59:00.000-08:002007-02-24T11:59:00.000-08:00From my understanding, Gibson and other Christians...From my understanding, Gibson and other Christians would put such a heavy emphasis on Jesus' suffering because Christ was assuming "the sins of all mankind". Traditionally, an individual's sins were ceremonially assigned to a lamb or other animal, which was then sacrificed. So if you're assigning the sins of ALL MANKIND, the sacrifice ought to be sufficiently bloody. Plus, it makes it more likely that Jesus actually died (a point of theological contention), which makes it even more incredible and miraculous that he was resurrected (another point of theological contention) and therefore the Messiah and/or God (yet another point of theological contention). Some gospels, one in the bible and others that were not canonized don't even include the death and resurrection story, thereby implying that Jesus, while a great prophet, was not actually God. My personal discovery of this information has significantly changed my worldview. It came as a great shock to even discover different views of Jesus exist now and existed two thousand years ago, but had been suppressed--an important part of my journey.Karinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09678914679733770434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30817870.post-6269995401023749172007-02-21T17:48:00.000-08:002007-02-21T17:48:00.000-08:00I read one review that called it, "A Jesus Snuff F...I read one review that called it, "A Jesus Snuff Flick."chuckdaddy2000https://www.blogger.com/profile/13669075161175440366noreply@blogger.com